I think there has been some valid feedback in this thread. I am not currently a contributor, although I would buy more Avatar's Dwarves in a flash if they were released (Slayers are the nicest thing in my Dwarf army).

One thing that limited my enthusiasm to contribute initially is all the stuff I'm interested in was already planned or a long way off. I already have a large Dwarf army for another game and want something different/fresh like the Berzerkers not vanilla dwarves. Going through the list:
> Dwarf Champion kit (couldn't be part of a perk)
> Crossbowmen (GW make plastics, I already have too many)
> Veterans (GW make plastics, if they were good I might get some but the Doomcrushers & Ironguard are already planned and I could use those instead)

I'm interested in Doomcrushers, Ironguard, Valkyries, Bear riders etc because no competitive alternative exists.

It also doesn't help that I have no idea when I might get the models. Given that there isn't a large discount (which I am not saying there should be) I might as well wait and buy them when released.

May I respectfully suggest that if this drive doesn't succeed you try again for a single unit (perhaps decided by a poll of users). If you take in some of the feedback offered by others I'd really like to help you get more models out sooner, because the quality has been great.

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I have been critical of this drive in the past but to say you have no idea when you will get the models is simply wrong look at the thread by January they would all be avaliable. Also to say that you dont want xbow men cause you have loads of gw please they are so boring that if i have to paint another one il scream.

Also the gw veterans are simply their warriors with face masks terrible models there metal lomngbeards are great but so expensive they arnt worth buying. I for one cant wait to see what AOW do for veterans. I have pledged but have more in reserve for a future pledge to get them over the line so come on boys one final push

Only one? I'd love for another $40,000 to drop on this campaign.

The parts I'm most looking forward to are definitely the War Bears, because there's nothing like them that I know of. It's a fantastic idea and one that I really hope eventually gets implemented.

$15000 goal is reached!

YES! That was my own Dwarf Hero

Less than 4.500 , we can do it! Come on guys, tell some more people out there!

GO AoW GO

As anyone who has ordered Warriors of Apoc will tell you, your comment is misguided.

I pre-ordered some boxes of Warriors in February for products that were to be released in March. Then we were told that AoW got flooded with orders and they posted an updated shipping schedule; my ship date was pushed into mid-April. Then there was a slowdown in production, so my order got bumped (again) to early June. Two weeks ago I sent AoW an email asking when my order would be shipped; they said it should ship during the following week. Still no word. A follow-up email went unanswered.

I initially said I'd support this project if I got my warriors before the funding campaign ended, because I really want to help AoW make great models, and get some myself. I've already revised that: if I just get confirmation that my order has shipped before the end of the funding campaign, I'll support the campaign.

Even if Felix manages to sculpt another 6 regiments (Warriors, Thunder Warriors, Iron Guard, Doomcrushers, Crossbowmen and Veterans) by January, there's not a lot of evidence that AoW will be able to produce enough product to ship it all by then.

Aside from the production issue, it has taken AoW more than 4 months to meet demand for the one regiment they announced in February. Since then they've released one new model (not even another regiment), despite claims of having more regiments in the works. That leaves 7 months for them to release another 6 regiments, not counting what's in the queue for Warriors of Apoc.

A new regiment every month is a daunting task, especially for a smaller operation like AoW. And if the demand for Dwarves is anywhere close to the demand for Warriors (I know lots of gamers who are waiting for AoW to have WoA available for immediate purchase), AoW is going to have a tough time keeping up with the increased production requirement.

Count me among those who find the January 2013 deadline a bit too ambitious.

...technically it was my Warband, i pledged before you ;)

Come on guys, now it's only a small step of 2000 bucks for the Treasure Hunters, and once we have them, the 20000 goal is right around the corner.

Certainly, the wait for Warriors of Apoc has been long. I guess I'm lucky, because my order had shipped by the time listed on the shipping calculator. After talking with Johanna, I even got a tracking number (which eased a lot of concerns). But you slightly oversimplify the logistics and the assumption that future warcast releases would suffer from the same delays overlooks some things.

Your comment about 'one regiment in over 4 months' isn't the whole story. I agree with you that in a sense it's one regiment. But there are four different products for sale. Even if the boxes use the same bodies, heads and command bits; and most boxes use the same arms. If it were *just* one regiment, an awful lot of sorting and organization would be cut out of the production process. It could have sped things up somewhat.

Then, there have been four new metal models released. Not one, as you claim. A champion(?) of war, a champion(?) of pestilence, a Marauder Champion, and a lovely new Dark Elf Sorceress.

Finally, the casting machinery has been purchased, set up, and the operating staff has been hired and trained. Those things don't need to happen twice. Unless Felix needs more gear to make the new regiments happen.

I agree with your point that the January 2013 release schedule is ambitious. But they'd happen, and I don't think they'd be months late.

Generally you're right. But the folks at AoW should have seen this coming ahead of time. Before they started production they knew the quantity of orders. At that point they should have set up some sort of standard process to maximize production. They're probably working on batch orders instead of mass production (production engineers actually are important ), which limits how effectively they can output orders.


I'll give you this one. Depending on how you measure when the regiment was released there have been anywhere from 2-4 models released. I had forgotten about the Dark Elf and was just considering the Marauder Champion.


The original projected shipping time was based on 700 (IIRC) boxes a month. A second machine should have at least doubled output to 1400 per month. If they're continuing to push back shipping times, that means they aren't even getting the 700 a month they expected with two machines.


I'd like to agree with you. In fact, I'd love to support this project because Avatars of War makes some of the best miniatures available. But I haven't seen anything to convince me that AoW is capable of delivering on its production promises. Heck, I haven't seen anything to convince me that AoW is capable of getting me the miniatures I ordered.

And that makes me sad.

It was already said, but maybe it's time to say it a last time ;-)

For the final Kick, make 2 more Perks. A limited Hero in Warcast and give is the possibility to buy the Hero-kit on Indigogo. That would bring more Dwarf Fans to buy more and maybe that would bring even more than 20.000 $.

It might be worth it, but then Avatars of War will have to act fast. Pictures might be necessary. Will they be able to cobble together a green hero in one or two days, even a half-finished one with lots of details lacking? That might indeed attract more funding.

Felix said, that there are no Greens and AoW has not the time to make one. I think, it will work without a Green. There are great pictures and everybody knows, that AoW makes the best Dwarfs. Everbody tries to get a limited miniature. I think, if Felix make a perk with a limited Hero, for examlpe it cost 20$, at least 50 people take it, so we get 1.000$ and if all 150 founders take one, we get 3.000. Thats what i mean.
Same wtih the Hero-Kit, let it 25$ cost, put some limited parts (weapon, shield... what ever) into it and we have reached the goal
Thats no risk for AoW and great for us!!!

That might work! I already contributed, but for a limited Special Edition Dwarf for Indiegogo I would do it again.

As others have already pointed out it is not exactly unreasonable to have some doubt about the timeframe, in fact it is pretty naive to think they categorically will be. Besides which there is still a difference between getting them in July 2012 and getting them in February 2013. Avatars don't know how many units they need to produce or what demand is yet after all.



I have literally no idea what you're on about here. What is remotely odd about me saying I'm not going to buy Crossbows because I have already finished painting 40 (which I don't even use competitively)? A large proportion of Avatar's market are people who already have Dwarf armies. A non-trivial amount of those won't replace units they already have but may add new stuff. I am sure Avatar's models will be better, and if I didn't already own alternatives I'd get there's, but I've got them already thanks. If you want to get some then great it doesn't mean everyone else does.